Here's Some "General" Tinfoil for Ya....

You know, I am surely losing it.  I meant to post this yesterday, but I"m so danged busy, I totally forgot. 

Try this on:

So, I've stared working as a proofreader for this small company, and one of the owners is a chemist.  PhD in chemistry.

We ran into each other on Saturday at the local health food store.  Got to talking and one thing led to another and she starts talking about the phytates in beans and seeds and that she had been doing some research.  I don't remember if she told me what led her to start researching it.

Anyway, she's pretty reserved, but she got completely animated talking about the phytates in beans, grains, etc.  She said they are absolute poison to the human body.  She said that people are better off eating white bread than eating whole grain breads where the grain isn't sprouted first.

She said this whole push for "whole grains" is one of the worst things ever.  That all beans and seeds and grains should be sprouted before being eaten or used in cooking.

She said the phytates on/in the grains, beans, and seeds acts as a sprouting inhibitor, because, just like us, they don't want to die.  It's their protection against death.  But, obviously, eventually wind and weather do their job (if this is happening in a natural environment) and the chemical (the phytate) that inhibits sprouting is lost.

Except, of course, in modern agriculture.

Now....here's the tinfoil:
 
I got this off the internet:
 
"Seeds contain 'antinutrients' - substances such as saponins, tannins, 'protein splitting enzymes' inhibitors, and phytates. These compounds reduce the body's ability to access the nutrients in seeds. The type, and amount of anti-nutrient varies both with the species of plant, and with the local variety of the species (common beans, Phaseolus vulgaris, for example, have a wide range of  phytic acid and tannin concentrations - with white seeded beans having least tannins-depending on the variety). Some have several different anti-nutrients, some have few, some have relatively a 'lot' of any one anti-nutrient, some have very little."

Ready for my tinfoil?

"Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."  Genesis 1:29

Hey, those old Annunaki gods had us right from the get-go.

And, of course, the earth wasn't "without form, and void."  It was beautiful and perfect, just as the goddess wanted it.  Or whomever the Annunaki moved out of the way. 

But, as the story has unfolded, it was "without form and void" because it wasn't being "productive" and it wasn't be exploited for consumption and building and GROWTH.

There.  How's that for some tinfoil? 

How about Genesis 1:28?

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
 
"God" was all about capitalism and growth.

Oh, and she said you don't have to see a little green sprout coming out to know that the phytates are gone.  The seed or grain or bean just has to split....such as happens when one soaks beans overnight.  But she said to soak them until they really split open and then rinse them really, really well to get rid of the phytates that linger and stick to the beans, seeds, or grains.

She had her supply of Ezekiel bread in her cart.

I make my own bread (for my little guy- since I don't eat it anymore) but I use local non-bleached, non-bromated white flour because he won't eat whole grain.  I think I might start buying the Ezekiel bread anyway, and he'll just have to get used to it.

I have been using that five-minute bread recipe (yes, it really only takes FIVE MINUTES) and I read when I first stated that people have been experimenting with the recipe to see if they could use sprouted grains and some had succeeded.  I guess I might have to pull out my grinder and sprout some wheat....

Hey, no wonder they've pushed corn, corn, corn.  It's in absolutely everything.

Oh yes. How well do I know that. My allergy to corn has eliminated going out to dinner, participating in potlucks, and pretty nearly any food that is in the center aisles of the store. Corn is in more than 90% of prepared foods.

That's an interesting take on the commandment from "god" to eat the grains of the earth, Louise.My whole journey these past ten years has been to try to figure out which god is the real god, so to speak. What I have finally concluded is that the "real" god is an energy of love, not a being.  And therefore, anyone who claims to be "God" is more likely an Annunaki or a lizard.

Oh, and I forgot this:  Soy?  She was so virulently against it I was honestly taken aback.

I have never really known what to think about soy.  One can read everything from both sides.

But she said it is pure and complete poison.  That the idea that it's used as food is just ridiculous. 

That 'dominion' quote always bothers me.  I think it's been interpreted as 'take what you want, kill what you want' but I think the translation is inaccurate.   I think it should have been, 'caretaking'.  An awful lot of the original Aramaic was mistranslated over the centuries, like the screwup with 'camel' instead of 'rope' which was the real word in Aramaic for the Biblical quote about a rich man going to heaven, etc. 

So, what's Ezekiel bread, and is there a way to make bread at home that will completely eliminate these phytates and other toxins?  Do you have to buy the grain and grind it yourself or can it be done from already ground up flour? 

I've got Crohns and have all sorts of issues with grains.  I probably should just give them up entirely but going without bread is difficult, at least psychologically.

Thank you for the information, ma'am :)

http://www.foodforlife.com/our-products 
 
Just an FYI ..I found it very hard to find locally and also very costly. Better to just not eat bread if you ask me.
 

If you ..sprouted the wheat ...rinsed it like you said....then dried it back out ..then ground it ..would you then have a viable flour to make bread with?

Could be an intresting test anyway.

Yes, that's the idea, CM. And, since it's the only way to get rid of the phytates, It also means that no, you can't buy that kind of flour ready made. It would be too perishable.and by the time that much work had been done to it, it would be way too expensive.

I'm eating a 100% raw food diet at the moment, except for occasional days of eating either eggs or meat. There's a book I've ordered from Amazon that should be in my mailbox now that goes into the need for omega 3 fatty acids in relation to raw foods. I'll let you know her conclusions once I've picked it up and read it. Other than omega 3's, raw foods are clearly the healthiest foods we can eat.

Well I do know this.  If a horse eats whole wheat it will very likely die - colic or laminitis.  You should never give horses wheat, period. 

Horses also can't handle whole oats or barley.  You have to crush the oats or crush or boil barley.

Maybe my thinking is weird but you could think, well gee if wheat will KILL a horse....

I've always thought grain was a strange thing to eat, despite coming from grain growing country.   Even when you're walking amongst fields of it it just doesn't seem natural to eat it.   Even on the combine harvester, the few times I've grabbed a handful of grain which has just been harvested to chew on out of boredom - well it really isn't that good.

I know I feel a lot better when I eat no bread and nothing which has come from grain. 

Nice tin Lou. 

That 'dominion' quote always bothers me.  I think it's been interpreted as 'take what you want, kill what you want' but I think the translation is inaccurate.   I think it should have been, 'caretaking'.  An awful lot of the original Aramaic was mistranslated over the centuries, like the screwup with 'camel' instead of 'rope' which was the real word in Aramaic for the Biblical quote about a rich man going to heaven, etc. 
So, what's Ezekiel bread, and is there a way to make bread at home that will completely eliminate these phytates and other toxins?  Do you have to buy the grain and grind it yourself or can it be done from already ground up flour? 
I've got Crohns and have all sorts of issues with grains.  I probably should just give them up entirely but going without bread is difficult, at least psychologically.
Thank you for the information, ma'am :)

-signalfire

Remember, it isn't just wheat, but oats, rice, rye, corn, all of it.  Anything that has to sprout to grow has that chemical.  Beans, seeds, etc.  This is why the big deal on sprouting.  I've read a lot about phytates and knew they were bad, I guess I just didn't realize HOW bad.

Ezekiel bread is just a brand you can buy, generally at Whole Foods type stores or health food stores.  You can google it, I'm sure.  They do sprouted corn tortillas, which I have bought, and they are very good.  But, like momma said, EXPENSIVE.  Like twice as much as the regular organic tortillas I buy. 

Yes, as momma said, it's all VERY expensive to buy, but there is tons of information on the internet about how to do it yourself.  Sprout it, grind it, bake it.  My boss says she has experimented, but hers turned out very heavy and her kids refused to eat it.  So she buys the loaf of Ezekiel.  Expensive, too.

I don't know what my deal is with grains.  It's not the gluten.  Tried gluten free.  It's not the chemicals.  I eat organic.  But it's gotten so bad that giving them up has been a "If I don't do this, it's going to kill me" kind of point.

Here are my symptoms:

High blood pressure
Racing heart
Pounding heart
skipping heartbeats
can't go to the bathroom
lose my sense of smell
loss of breath
Something BAD going on in my colon  (no comments from the peanut gallery)
stuffy nose
runny nose

There's probably more.  I just can't do it anymore.  I'm going to have to give it all up or something bad is going to happen to me.

I've told this story before, but my old naturopath was adamant that people continue to eat things that their body can't digest/process/has allergic reactions to/ is sensitive to, and eventually they go on meds to help "other" things: high blood pressure, some sort of disease, etc. etc.  She even said cancer.  That the body has fought and fought and fought to rid itself of whatever the offender is - most likely all their lives - and finally gives up.

She said I have had this problem all my life, and when I was young my body could shake it off, but the older one gets, the less able the body is to fight the offenders.  And I can attest that many of the symptoms I have had my entire life.

Well, most of us have read Ishmael.  And we have that thread started.  In light of this information, perhaps we should all re-read it, and have a good discussion on its implications.

I'm busier than heck, but, hey, I have time to be on here (instead of reading the books I should be reading for the two classes I'm taking ;)  so I'm going to read a little bit of Ishmael every day and maybe we can get some kind of discussion going about it.

Jehovah was clearly  the first conservative Republican. ; ) Excellent post, MtLouie. Due to my own lengthy poor health I have had identical thoughts to you along these lines for a number of years now. In fact, I recall reading that the Pythagoreans back in days of old warned about eating oval-shaped(beans) food. And from my own personal experience I can FIRMLY ATTEST that the less I eat the better I feel(and I'm a person who enjoys food too, although not as much as I used to). 

There's just so much which could be written and pondered about this whole "food" question.

I think a lot of people are like me and are just sick of all the conflicting "expert" advice.  What would people eat if they weren't now addicted to salt, sugar, fat, flavour enhancers and so on? If you could heal your body enough to come back to what I would call a "natural state"?

What if you listened to your own body and followed your natural instincts?  I remember my sister when she was young was this amazing "natural grazer". She'd go out to the vegetable garden and eat raw cobs of corn, tomatoes off the vine, peas from the pod, all that kind of thing and when the grapes were ready she'd be forever in the grape vines - or eating plums, apples, peaches etc off the trees.   Everyone used to think it was quite amusing how she was forever "grazing" on all this raw fruit and vegetables...but maybe that's what we're SUPPOSED to be doing.

The Green Smoothie whiz lady Victoria Boutenko has a lot of really good things to say including that we should see GREENS as fruit.
http://greensmoothierevolution.com/

Have you ever noticed how often you crave "greens"?

Fruit, greens, nuts, seeds - I would say they are our "natural" diet.

Raw honey.

Wild fish and some lean. red, FREE RANGE meat because not only is factory farming an abomination  I do not believe they can be healthy animals to eat.

Free range eggs - heck, anything will eat free range eggs if they can get hold of them!   Round here the dogs, rats and hedgehogs will grab the hen's eggs if they get the opportunity.

Milk, grains, lots of meat - I'm not so sure they're what we would naturally eat or are particularly good for most people in the longer term and in terms of how fit and well they feel when they're eating them.  However I think we can all handle a small amount of anything.

Did you see this week where a group of scientists want sugar declared a toxin?

Mainly though I think we should just listen most of all to our own bodies.   I know some people who eat masses of junk food and they're fit and healthy.  You should see the pile of junk a lot of guys in the Army eat!   However it seems they can mostly get away with it when others can't.

I don't believe we "need" meat though.

Personally my two "healthy" cravings are always shellfish and green vegetables.

My unhealthy craving is usually KFC.

I think human diets took a real downturn when we started cooking meat and another really bad turn with grains.

An ancestral natural diet would be whatever you could pick off a tree or bush, dig up out of the ground, or clobber over the head; that and insects and grubs although I guess that includes digging and clobbering.

"She said I have had this problem all my life, and when I was young my body could shake it off, but the older one gets, the less able the body is to fight the offenders.  And I can attest that many of the symptoms I have had my entire life."-MtLouie

Amen on that one.  I feel so much better on just fruit, vegetables and a few nuts.  But, BOY, do I crave bread and chocolate.  I think the craving is actually an allergy, and your symptoms sound like an allergy, also.  I have Crohns and a lot of my symptoms are like yours.

Hey, I've always wondered!  Is it 'Mountain Louie' or 'Montana Louie'?   Old LATOCers wanna know.

I can't have gluten at all,
and going without bread was hard at first, but it does get easier,

most grains are way better sprouted,
sorghum is an exception, it makes a toxin so that nothing eats the tiny plants and it will hurt you bad if you eat it sprouted.

I try to look at what was traditionally grown and how it was processed
soy was never a food direct,
it was always fermented first,
they knew how bad it was to eat, but it grows where other things will not, so it got used for fermentation only,

as far as I can tell every food is toxic in some way,
that is why changing what you eat often works so well,
spread out the toxins so that no single one builds up in your body to much.

also I am convinced that most of the issues people are having with food now is bad or low levels of symbiotic bacteria, because all you have to do is have it once for this to happen.
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/monsantos-roundup-ready-crops-leading.html
and I think that is why the raw food diet works so well,
it gets the natural bacteria back in your body,
I have enough allergies so that I have a very hard time eating raw vegetables,
so I have been having unpasturized everything, like pickles, and raw milk, and wine, and  what ever else I can find that has natural bacteria in it.
it has helped me so very much and I can eat foods now that I never could before.

I've started a diet where in I try to eat more fruit (breakfast) and salad (lunch) and really watch my dinner calorie wise and portion control.

I am finding as I go along that I crave meat less and less and in some cases it is now even making me a tad nauseous to think of eating certain things.

I have started using a smaller plate, telling myself to leave some food on the plate (very hard for me to do oddly) and eating with a smaller fork to take smaller bites. Slowely I am starting to be able to cut back on the portions and not feel the pain so much.

One thing oddly I have been getting alot of mouth ulcers. Little sores in my mouth from pepper or cutting on my teth ..driving me insane.