periol, nods, right.

Israel is counting on American/NATO support right....so if someone deliberately inflamed the Muslims in a major way so that things escalated....how would this feature into an attack on Iran?   An attack on Iran now and the whole middle East explodes?    it's already volatile but an attack on Iran would make it even more volatile.

We know there are Afghani-NATO personnel turning on Americans now right?:    So what say some of those Afghani-NATO personnel pretended to BE Americans?    Naw, that can't be right.....surely the Americans would know for sure if the ones who did the killing were Americans or not and they don't seem to be denying it from what I've seen so far.

Why would Americans try to inflame the Muslims, as part of a false flag I mean?    Why would they want to incite the Muslims?  (I mean as part of some CIA psych-op or something like that).   

I wish I was smarter. 
 

The Taliban posted on its website today that 'American savages' committed the 'blood-soaked and inhumane crime'.

It also expressed doubt that a single soldier could have carried out the shootings in houses over a mile apart.

Villagers told Afghan officials they heard shots being fired from several directions.

Abdul Rahim Ayubi, a lawmaker from Kandahar province, said the distance between the houses raised questions about how a single soldier could have carried out all of the shootings.

He said: 'It is not possible for only one American soldier to come out of his base, kill a number of people far away, burn the bodies, go to another house and kill civilians there, then walk at least 2 kilometers and enter another house, kill civilians and burn them.'

Abdul Ghani, a local councilman in Panjwai district, said local villagers reported seeing two groups of soldiers.

He said: 'The villagers said they were hearing machine gun fire and pistol fire from different directions.'

But a spokesman for U.S.-led forces, U.S. Army Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings, said that their reports still indicate a single soldier carried out the attacks.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113410/US-soldier-kills-16-Afghan-civilians-deadly-shooting-rampage.html#ixzz1otSPHKFe

Taliban vows revenge after U.S. Sergeant on SEAL team 'shoots dead nine sleeping Afghan children before burning their bodies' in deadly rampage that killed 16

• U.S. and British officials warn of reprisals against troops after massacre
• Taliban vows to avenge deaths, saying more than one soldier involved
  
• Shooter identified as Army staff sergeant from Fort Lewis, Washington
• Base regarded as 'most troubled in the military' with history of killings
  
• 'Entered three homes, shot 16 dead after suffering mental breakdown'
  
• Nine children and three women among those reported dead
  
• Relative: He 'poured chemicals over their dead bodies and burned them'

NATO troops in Afghanistan are on high alert after the Taliban vowed to avenge the deaths of 16 innocent civilians - including nine children and three women - who were shot and killed by a rogue U.S. soldier who opened fire after suffering a 'mental breakdown' early Sunday morning.

The Army staff sergeant, stationed at a U.S. base in Kandahar, entered three Afghan family’s homes at 3am and began the vicious killing spree. Relatives of the dead said he then 'poured chemicals over their dead bodies and burned them.'
The shooter is an Army staff sergeant from Fort Lewis-McChord in Washington state, and was believed to have acted alone.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113410/US-soldier-kills-16-Afghan-civilians-deadly-shooting-rampage.html#ixzz1otT5MQRo

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113410/US-soldier-kills-16-Afghan-civilians-deadly-shooting-rampage.html#ixzz1otSwFtCf

Haven't been able to look at this since I left work Friday and really s/b working now, but I breezed through a couple of posts and agree with Lua completely.

The Kony2012 thing has NOTHING to do with the content of the video, how good the marketing was and who the marketers were, anything about propoganda or human rights or oppression of ANYTHING like that...the difference is that sheep that never gave that shit a second glance were all over it. 

Before I read Clif's things, I thought it was the strangest thing in the world that 3 of my 100 or so FB "friends" posted something about it, and after reading it saw two more.  I don't look at FB enough to use it as a fair statistical analysis, this is completely anecdotal, but I feel that 4 people who normally post such profound musings as "Dear FB: do you sneeze only one time or multiple at times at once?  These are the things I think about..." (I wish I was kidding)

Anyway, even when some sort of viral human rights shit gets popular enough to earn its own colored rubber bracelet/ribbon or whatever, there might be a viral email message or two (with the threat of getting hit by bulldozer if not forwarded to 10 friends in the next 20 mins), a comment from some of the more aware or caring FB posters,, but never the response I noticed BEFORE reading Clif's thing...i thought it was odd.

I have been haunted (excited/hopeful/fearful too) of some sort of great unravelling.  I have been working non-stop on myself since i figured out a couple of things that have made my life infinitely happier/better than it was before (individuals and groups of individual's near infinite creative power, the bullshit construct we live within is one of those--knew that for a while, but what I learned is--it doesn't matter all that much, and also, there's a chance if we get our energies in the right place, it could be amazing!  and the first step--we all live in a victim society trapped in victim mentality and can only see relationships in terms of controller/victim...and while it is true we are victims of seemingly unstoppable controlling power, you can free yourself of the programming and be free in mind and spirit.

Anyway, I digress...i started the thought "I have been workign non-stop on myself..." and want to complete that with ...on delivering/sharing/teaching the ideas that have so amazingly liberated me relatively recently.  I have been workign hard on getting the people I care about to think and talk about things other than the latest gossip, football stats, celebrity scandal, and other tripe and actually think about the implications of having one life, a constant series of NOWS, trying to learn from them their ideas and feelings about how they experience life and what they live for.  WHy they believe what they believe and btw--did you know you were mind-fucked into believing that.

I know it will be hard for some of you who actually read my poor excuse for "communicaiton'" to believe, but I used to come off as crazy, bitter, assholish....anyway, point is...couldn't get anyone to HEAR me, even after i quit drinking, even after I matured a lot emotionally and truly gained an ability to empathisize.  I noticed that when iI present ideas that challenge people's belief, they project their emotional attachment (angry, aggravation, irration) on to me (my attempts to exchange ideas were ALWAYS an "argument" in the other's mind, regardless of me being completely calm--after all, i had no attachment to the ideas--and even when I repeatedly explained I AGREE WITH YOU!!!).  Anyway, that part hasn't changed, that's just about introspection, emotional maturity, and the mindset of the other individuals. 

What hAS changed (finally getting kinda near a point here, try to stay with me!), is that people are no longer as resistant to talking about things that were considered crazy talk.  I had been noticing that most people WANT to talk about the shit I want to, WANT to run their "crazy" ideas off someone that might not think they're so crazy--but only in the right setting (behind closed doors with no one who might judge them around).  I feel hope, and really want to beleive, that a tipping point has been reached.

i have managed to turn every conversation I have had with anyone into an opportunity to get them to share a piece of themselves with me, and listen to what i wanted to share of me with them.  I'm sure it's a mind association that has happened 100% of the time since Friday evening, with it increasing in percentage from in a curve up to that point, starting at the point where I first decided that was my passion in life, and all I really thought about it.  Part of it, I am sure, is that in that sequence i improved my ability to prod people into opening up, but I REALLY like the idea that it was a building up to tension point nearly scientfically (alright, dont flame me, we'll cal it quasi-scientifically if you like), or at least anecdotally to the 100th monkey idea, the tipping point where mass consciousness is freed from the limitations of our controlled holograph bullshit reality.

I hope this true, I know this is just my thoughts after an amazing weekend, and that maybe the solar flare fried my brain a little more, but I just wanted to share that--it seems to me that reality is starting to come into fashion, and i don't mean the manufactured one where human resources spend their "lives" as assets to the soulless corporations that is their god--until they are redundant and become a cost or liability, tossed out to the shredder with the rest of the waste.  Speaking of which, I owe my masters a little of my time, it's the least i can do for their "generosity" in the climate controlled, internet accessed, secure and comfy space to share and learn and grow.  PEACE

.Webbots is a very sophisticated pattern recognition model using propreitary algorithms that were
 
developed over a long time [since the 80s]. Clif High uses multiple matrices of lexicons in multiple languages  to identify statistically significant changes in linguistic relationships within the sampled data over time.
 
This is the kind of idea that three universities have subsequently worked to replicate & for which the NSA has outstanding development contracts.
 
IMO we are doomed.....{most of us,anyway] :-)

Donk, you may be right.  I think a LOT more people are indeed waking up to the spell that we're under as I call it and seeing how FUNDAMENTALLY flawed so many of the standard paradigms are, especially funny money.

Also I think it's increasingly hard for them to manipulate the "tribes" of the world against each other, for example, casting Iran in a simplistic way as a "villain" when  those claiming the "moral high ground" are ten times as bad.  People are beginning to increasingly see it is nothing to do with the PEOPLE of a particular country in general but the corrupt, evil PTB.    There's developing a new "us and them" in the minds of people, no longer an America versus Russia or Israel versus Iran kind of thing, but more of a "corrupt global powers" versus the "people of the world" mindset.

The cynicism WITHIN countries about their own governments is going into overdrive.   People increasingly know there needs to be a seachange, an end to the lies, corruption and injustice....certainly at this time INTELLECTUALLY they are becoming far less controllable and far more cynical. Maybe TPTB realised this would happen and made their moves towards kinds of police states, even in so-called democracies years ago because of it....but  you can't hold back the tide.

Just what will happen exactly I don't know, but I think TPTB are on increasingly shaky ground.

Sooo, the whole March 9th thing was about the greater number of people realizing that the world is not a benign place and their leaders can't be trusted? Maybe that no-shit-Sherlock moment is an epiphany for some, but it's not as dramatic or awesome as I was hoping for. 

Then again the more people who let go the illusion the less power it has.

Greece defaults, Rush and other shock-jocks lose advertisers en masse, and everyone watches a 30 minute video about the evils of an African warlord. Even in this crazy world that does stand out.

donk- that was great

friday- yeah, that's one of the reasons the web bots lost me a long time ago. 

But, still.....

As donk said, I think many of us are hoping/wishing/praying for the revealing.  After all, that's what Apocalypse means, revealing.  Not armageddon.

It's kind of the same distinction one could make between being pro-life and anti-abortion.   World of difference, but so many people get them confused.

I really think the instant miracle savior paradigm (which would be nice) is an invention of the control structure. It reinforces that higher authority can crush you at any moment while having you thinking "someone else will save me/fix everything" to hide the fact that each of us is capable of much more than we are lead to believe.

Em def is on the wavelength i was going for, but more generally in the sense that a lot of people have always seemed to me to WANT open their eyes and see reality, though they have been too afraid. Ive been thinking its important to get past the structures (money, governments, tribes) to get the core...how fucking insane ideas we have are if we take a sec to think about them (assuming you can even look at them honestly).

But that's the whole point that there was no "event" to mark tension into release language. It was anti-climatic, eh? But, the end results won't be.

Agreed. People turning from Rush is a good sign of it...he spewed some of the most poisonous ideas i could never even imagine people being ok with...calling a woman a slut or whatever he did was somewhere in the middle of his toxic "thoughts"

"As donk said, I think many of us are hoping/wishing/praying for the revealing.  After all, that's what Apocalypse means, revealing.  Not armageddon."

Yes, this.

Just hoping for a better world, or part of one.

ever eat something till you were sick of it?
I did that with lettuce when I was a little kid. I ate lettuce with salt sprinkled on it till it finally made me sick. It was years and years before I could stand the smell or taste of lettuce again. Long after adulthood.
That's what this hard assed, neocon, chest thumping, blame the victim, super conservative hate crap is like.
People have gorged on it till now, they're getting sick of it.
Hopefully it will be like the lettuce was for me, and they won't even be able to stand the smell of meanness and hate for a long time to come.
Fingers crossed.

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/nuffnscum.html

above is Clif's new post ....it is hard to get through but the Gordon Duff link is why i'm posting it....

It's a complex idea about shifting time lines......just the kind of hyper-conspiracy stuff i enjoy ...

BTW...Clif says that between Aug.8th & Aug 12th we will see the attack on the Olympics & the sinking of the USS Enterprise in the Straights of Hormuz.......only about 5 weeks to see if it happens..

The Chinese have their own webbot project and take much ,much larger swaths of language off the web than Clif & his 1 helper does.........
I got a reply from Clif yesterday to my e mail........Clif says the reason the Chinese are building the ghost cities is to relocate populations in China's coastal regions when the sea levels rise.....which seems to be in mid 2013.....

Thanks marlowe.  Have you noticed a lot of people now seem to be talking about 2013 as "the year of major disaster" instead of 2012?

I wondered about rising sea levels and the Chinese cities.  I'll have to see if there's any kind of map available of where they all are in China.

http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/related/aid/371/id/601007/n/China-s-Ghost-Cities

Zhengzhou New District, Henan
South China Mall, Dongguan
Ordos, Inner Mongolia
Erenhot, Xilin Gol, Inner Mongolia
Dantu, Zhenjiang, Jiangsu
Yunan University Campus, Yunnan, Changgong

Just checking Google and it seems:

Henan - fairly far inland.
Dongguan - is actually Hong Kong
Dantu - is inland somewhat
Yunan - fairly far inland
Mongolia - well we are know how high and far inland that is.

Certainly none of them are on the coast or close to the coast FWIW.

Would be interesting to see how high above sea level they all are.  I might try and check that out later.

WOW!!     I just clicked on that first one, Henan, and it looks very much like a Venus Project planned city; a central round core, waterways nearby, and housing projects to the outskirts of that.  If you zoom in, there's almost nary a car to be seen anywhere, and certainly no people and the thing is HUGE!!!!   Interestingly, the terrain function that would tell me the elevations is blocked. 

When people were talking about 'ghost cities', I was thinking, 'a few condos' and from what I'd heard, they were supposed to be make-work projects where they were building things, tearing them down and re-building, I suppose to keep people busy.  But this is truly gargantuan and the buildings are state of the art architectural wonders. 

So, the Chinese government is planning on relocating millions of people from the coast as soon as next year, and the US government is planning to hide underground and "F" the rest of us?  

Typical.  Those sons of bitches.... 

Here's the video from that site, worth a look: 
http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/watch/id/601007/n/China-s-Ghost-Cities

Interestingly, the reporter didn't interview the city planners and the only guy he found who worked on city planning 'couldn't talk or he'd get in trouble'.  Seemed a highly intelligent, soft-spoken individual, too.  

They kept harping about the '64 million vacant apartments' but 64 million in a country of over 1 billion isn't that many.  Lower the prices to what the normal family can afford, and you'd have an instant vibrant city in minutes. 

What if this isn't government expenditures gone awry, but actually decent planning for an upcoming unmitigated disaster?   Makes me wonder if Clif is right this time, and every world government knows what's coming (future humans coming back to warn us?  Aliens with knowledge of upcoming solar/galactic plane events?)  and yet only China has the resources to actually build these things?  It would mean the only survivors will be inland Chinese, millions of them, and whoever gets a ticket to go underground on the US side and comes crawling out into the bright sunshine, blinking and pale as albino cockroaches, in seven years' time. 

There's a great apocalyptic sci-fi novel in there waiting to be written.  Almost the Morlocks versus the Eloi revisited. 

Y'know what'd be great?  If the Chinese government would go into partnership with the Zeitgeist Movement, make all these apartments available for free to people, and immediately upgrade themselves to a true civilization where everyone has their needs met, and people have free access to housing, food, education, travel and medical care..  do an end-round around the greedy morally impoverished capitalists once and for all.