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#0, by emeline, 25 June 2012 10:11 AM

The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.

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#1, by signalfire, 01 July 2012 04:12 PM

Yup, haven't looked at it yet but the ultimate power of ordering fighter jets in the air was given to Cheney a few weeks before 9-11 and then reverted back to the generals afterwards; this was unprecedented and allowed the stand down to happen.

I don't think I've posted this here before, but I've done hundreds of hours of research on 9-11.  It was obvious to me from the first day that the tower's collapse was not a 'normal' occurrence after the planes hit and the fires. Those buildings were far too robust to collapse in that manner and the fact that the American population just swallowed the stories about it is a testament to their immense gullibility.  I've listened to hours of released police and fire department recordings of that day, the FAA recordings which are a real eye-opener ("is this real or is it a drill...?"... 'GET THOSE BLIPS OFF MY SCREEN!!' said because of the fake planes that were being inserted onto the radar screens ostensibly because of four or five military drills happening at the exact same time, including one in which, oddly.... planes were flown into the WTC and D.C.....)   I bought a huge book of photos from one of the only two photographers that was allowed on scene at the pile and scoured them for information and clues, thinking I'd be able to see something no one else did.  Watched every video on line about it...

My conclusion?  Here goes:  Firstly, in the photos, it's not what you see, it's what you don't.  There's no desks, phones, computers, wiring, toilets, room dividers, chairs, water fountains or coke machines, all of which were present in both buildings to the tune of thousands.  One video shows a fireman saying all he ever found was a small piece of a phone keypad... everything was turned to dust.  Now in any sort of 'normal' collapse, all that stuff would have been there, albeit crushed and disfigured.  The only filing cabinet found was in a sub-basement, and it was warped as if it had been exposed to extreme heat.  There's also the U-shaped beam that's curved back on itself without even a trace of a crack.  It was exposed to foundry-style heat in the space of ten seconds flat... 

Now add in the massive sustained heat in the basement for four months after the collapse, even with millions of gallons of water poured on it, (keep in mind that after a nuclear weapon is detonated, there's a LOT of leftover fissionable material that continues to react and let off heat for months afterwards and no amount of water will affect it) and the fact that immediately after the collapse a special 'heat absorbing' foam was ordered in 10s of thousands of gallons and poured on the ground; this foam also absorbs radiation... still the rescuer's boots were melting and there was a strange blue smoke rising from the pile until December and January, visible even from space. 

Now, to U.S atomic weapons programs; after 'Tsar Bomba', the largest nuke ever exploded was tested by the Russians, the trail as to research gets a little cold (heh).   Turns out they started making the satanic things smaller and smaller.  There are now, and have been for a very long while, nukes of any desired yield and radiation signature, including very little and short duration radiation, of tiny size.  We're talking an apple, a lunch bag, a potted plant size.  All the talk about 'how could they have wired the buildings?' is a nonsequitur. They didn't need to wire the buildings.  A small nuke with enough yield to molecularly disintegrate, say two floors of the building and barely make an impression a half block away, set on every other floor and controlled remotely was how they did it.  There may have been cutting charges of thermite used on the large basement beams early on to help the process along but they were not used for the entire building. This is where the Truth Movement is deluded... the ratio of thermite to building mass would have been almost 1:1.  You would have had to bring in as much thermite as the building was heavy... not doable.  Oddly, most of the Truth Movement refuses to consider nukes which makes me think they're either unable to think outside of their own boxes, or just think if there's no mushroom cloud, and nobody reported radiation signatures, it couldn't have been nukes. They also may be disinfo agents, even unwittingly. 

Judy Woods' research, although she's wrong about the DEW weapons (if she's right, we have Star Wars style beam stations out in space that can take out anywhere on the planet and frankly, I don't think so) gives big clues otherwise.  The toasted cars is a biggie; also the people who barely escaped the dust cloud, which was very hot and of high velocity, and the lady who reported that car doors were popping off their hinges and car engines were bursting into flames as she ran by, not their gas tanks, but their engines... It's an EMP effect.  No other known weapon accounts for this.  

Take a look at the photos of the buildings in mid-collapse. The concrete floor panels, the outside structural beams and office contents are being turned to dust. The aluminum cladding is being blown straight outwards. And the heavy steel inner core beams are the blacker smoke rising upwards, as they are molecularly disintegrated. (there's your mushroom cloud, although it doesn't look like what we've come to expect). 

New York City was nuked.  

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#2, by concernedmomma, 01 July 2012 04:48 PM

Whooaa. Speechless. But it makes total sense to me.

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#3, by tlr1138, 02 July 2012 01:07 AM

It's amazing how careful you have to be when talking with people face to face about 9/11. Some folks get really mad and irrational and want to beat up anyone who questions the official story. 9/11 traumatized the American people even worse than the Kennedy assassination did. It's one thing to believe that the President was killed by a conspiracy, another to believe that "our" government would commit mass acts of terrorism. Most Americans can't go there yet.

Despite the fact of Operation Northwoods (Pentagon/CIA) in 1962, and a similar Pentagon/CIA plan in 1961 to initiate a preemptive nuclear strike on the USSR in 1963 after a couple of years of "heightened tensions." The same type of people are still in the Pentagon and CIA. Kennedy got himself killed for refusing to go along with such plans. George W. Bush was apparently in their crosshairs too on 9/11. Did the Secret Service drag him out of that classroom like they should have? Why did he have to fly to Offutt Air Force Base (Strategic Air Command) where the nuclear weapons are controlled?

Webster Tarpley argues that the plotters had the codes to shoot down Air Force One and launch a nuclear strike on the Muslim world by themselves, if Bush hadn't given in to their demands to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

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#4, by tlr1138, 02 July 2012 01:38 AM

By the way, good post, Signalfire. I worked in the defense industry in the late 1980s-early 1990s, and they've been working on a lot of weird, exotic weapons for a long time. Watching all the concrete in the towers pulverized into fine powder was a dead giveaway, as was the spectacular "failure" of air defense that day. 

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#5, by signalfire, 02 July 2012 03:27 AM

Thanks, tlr...

I've come to the conclusion after almost 59 years on this planet that there's literally two kinds of people, two different kinds of brain configurations.  It may be as simple as the amount of communication between the corpus collosum, the two halves and their ability to talk to one another.  In fact, a fully functioning bridge between the two halves has been implicated in ESP and remote viewing abilities.  

Some people simply don't have ANY curiosity whatsoever.  They seem unable to care about any mystery, or find it interesting. Other people are driven by low level curiosity (what are the neighbors up to?) while others see the world as a giant puzzle and are compelled to figure out some pretty big areas of it. 

The recurring dreams I had as a small child convinced me of reincarnation although it actually took me another 50 years to realize, much to my surprise, that coming back once actually meant you come back again and again and again.  We all live an eternity and this is just one of the playgrounds and learning stations.  I truly think that we sign up for this, knowing at least in part what the assignment will be and how it will turn out... but I think there's a defect in the process whereby we forget our accumulated knowledge and have to keep re-learning things.  What a waste of experience, if true.  Tapping into that would be an immediate ascension process for the whole planet.  

My father bopping into my head at the moment of his death 20 miles away was another big reinforcement of the above; and the most amazing part of that truly amazing experience was that his spirit had actual mass... it hit my temple with the force of a medium sized marble, at the same time as it effortlessly passed right through. There's a LOT of information in that observation.  The whole 'mass can neither be created nor destroyed' rule combined with 'it's all energy, but solids are just vibrating a bit slower'... 

I wish I could prove what happened to me, it would set a lot of minds at ease and make everything else so much clearer.  

So having solved that rather pressing and large problem, 9-11 presented a wonderful thought puzzle.  Oddly, my first thought when I saw it live was 'nukes!' but I went down the wormhole with all the other researchers for a good 7 years until I realized, with a lot of corroborating evidence, that my first instinct was correct.

Now I'm working on aliens, ETs, EDs and all the rest.  It's a slow slog but fascinating.  It's becoming more and more apparent that there's a couple billion inhabited planets in the local neighborhood, some are technologically billions of years ahead of us helped along by incredibly long lives and a memory that stays intact between lives;  Most are probably benevolent but some probably make the Klingons look like sociable happy-go-lucky types. Obviously, Earth has not yet attained the status of a true 'civilization'.   We're still spectacularly primitive, and our assignment here may be to help bring the place up to speed a little bit more, or perhaps a penance or even a prison. 

By the way, I used to live in upstate New York and met Rod Serling as a child at a Christmas party.  I remember he was really short, smoked cigarettes one after the other, and that incredibly distinctive voice. 
 Nice man smile  For a long time after that, I wanted to be a writer too but I never thought I had anything to write about until lately... 

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#6, by concernedmomma, 02 July 2012 04:28 AM

I dont like to think of earth as being a 'prison' because of 2 reasons.

 1st of all I just cannot see myself as having done anything worthy of going to prison for. I just dont feel it. I see other people who have no empathy, no comapassion, no love, no caring, invention, imagination ...no wonder, no awe ..how can I be bad when I have all those things?

2ndly there are some amazingly wonderful miracles of life on this planet. How can that be a punishment to be sent here?

Unless we are perhaps sent here to keep the 'bad juju/karma' from taking over and we are, in every sense of the word, volunteers, knowing we are comming to live amongst the bad and try to help them get better?
Most days I feel as if we are loosing that battle tho if thats the case.

Sorry just wanted to touch on the reincarnation bit. I have fully believed in that since I was 16.

By the way I always kinda "just knew" our Gov did 911. I just never really knew how. But that day was the day I lost all trust in my country. All patriotism.

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#7, by tlr1138, 02 July 2012 01:44 PM

I'm totally jealous that you met Rod Serling, signalfire. He died when I was eight years old, and he's been one of my cultural heroes since childhood. The humanity and empathy in his writing, his sense of the tragedy and absurdity of life, is totally missing from our shallow, materialistic culture today.

I've also believed in reincarnation for a long time, but I'd prefer not to live again on this planet. There are some nice things about it, but when you add up all the plusses and minuses, overall it isn't a great thing to be a human on Earth. In many ways the Earth is a metaphysical prison, and a lot of people can't see that because they're too caught up in our manufactured "consensus reality."   

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#8, by signalfire, 02 July 2012 04:23 PM

I've been doing so much reading lately that I'm getting confused and I don't have time right now to double check, but I think this is the book I got the info/idea from that we're (some of us anyway) are here in a prison.  The idea was that many  other civilizations used Earth as a dumping ground to isolate both the crazies and the intellectuals, artists, etc, that would interfere with things on their home planets.  Not without precedent on Earth, as in many Fascist societies, the first people to be eliminated were the college educated and dissidents. The 'cure' for getting out of the prison was to remember between lives. 

Fascinating reading, in any event.

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#9, by spin, 02 July 2012 07:24 PM

I also think that this is some sort of dimensional penal colony -- have always thought that.  In my evolution to date, however, I sort of think of it more as a probationary zone.  We have opportunities and choices here, and if we choose correctly (toward the good) we can evolve out -- if we participate in the negative, we're stuck here or sink to an even lower dimension.

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#10, by pamela, 02 July 2012 08:27 PM

You know, I remember a Twilight Zone or maybe One Step Beyond, episode from years ago, could have been the Outer Limits, where earth got a message from these really superior and powerful aliens telling us we needed to straighten up or something like that, or they were going to blow up the earth.
So, all the nations got together and made peace, and threw down their arms and waited to hear from the aliens.
they came to a meeting with generals and officials and the humans excitedly told them that we'd done it! We'd made peace all over the earth, and the alien laughed and said that wasn't what they'd meant. They wanted us to become "more" warlike and aggressive, and since we'd made peace we were a failure so they blew us up.

that story has always stuck with me.

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#11, by anonymous1159478, 02 July 2012 10:24 PM

or they were going to blow up the earth.

If they are that powerful, couldn't they just single out the bad guys and blow them up, and then tell the rest of us the truth? 

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#12, by emeline, 02 July 2012 10:51 PM

Yup, haven't looked at it yet but the ultimate power of ordering fighter jets in the air was given to Cheney a few weeks before 9-11 and then reverted back to the generals afterwards; this was unprecedented and allowed the stand down to happen.
I don't think I've posted this here before, but I've done hundreds of hours of research on 9-11.  It was obvious to me from the first day that the tower's collapse was not a 'normal' occurrence after the planes hit and the fires. Those buildings were far too robust to collapse in that manner and the fact that the American population just swallowed the stories about it is a testament to their immense gullibility.  I've listened to hours of released police and fire department recordings of that day, the FAA recordings which are a real eye-opener ("is this real or is it a drill...?"... 'GET THOSE BLIPS OFF MY SCREEN!!' said because of the fake planes that were being inserted onto the radar screens ostensibly because of four or five military drills happening at the exact same time, including one in which, oddly.... planes were flown into the WTC and D.C.....)   I bought a huge book of photos from one of the only two photographers that was allowed on scene at the pile and scoured them for information and clues, thinking I'd be able to see something no one else did.  Watched every video on line about it...
My conclusion?  Here goes:  Firstly, in the photos, it's not what you see, it's what you don't.  There's no desks, phones, computers, wiring, toilets, room dividers, chairs, water fountains or coke machines, all of which were present in both buildings to the tune of thousands.  One video shows a fireman saying all he ever found was a small piece of a phone keypad... everything was turned to dust.  Now in any sort of 'normal' collapse, all that stuff would have been there, albeit crushed and disfigured.  The only filing cabinet found was in a sub-basement, and it was warped as if it had been exposed to extreme heat.  There's also the U-shaped beam that's curved back on itself without even a trace of a crack.  It was exposed to foundry-style heat in the space of ten seconds flat... 
Now add in the massive sustained heat in the basement for four months after the collapse, even with millions of gallons of water poured on it, (keep in mind that after a nuclear weapon is detonated, there's a LOT of leftover fissionable material that continues to react and let off heat for months afterwards and no amount of water will affect it) and the fact that immediately after the collapse a special 'heat absorbing' foam was ordered in 10s of thousands of gallons and poured on the ground; this foam also absorbs radiation... still the rescuer's boots were melting and there was a strange blue smoke rising from the pile until December and January, visible even from space. 
Now, to U.S atomic weapons programs; after 'Tsar Bomba', the largest nuke ever exploded was tested by the Russians, the trail as to research gets a little cold (heh).   Turns out they started making the satanic things smaller and smaller.  There are now, and have been for a very long while, nukes of any desired yield and radiation signature, including very little and short duration radiation, of tiny size.  We're talking an apple, a lunch bag, a potted plant size.  All the talk about 'how could they have wired the buildings?' is a nonsequitur. They didn't need to wire the buildings.  A small nuke with enough yield to molecularly disintegrate, say two floors of the building and barely make an impression a half block away, set on every other floor and controlled remotely was how they did it.  There may have been cutting charges of thermite used on the large basement beams early on to help the process along but they were not used for the entire building. This is where the Truth Movement is deluded... the ratio of thermite to building mass would have been almost 1:1.  You would have had to bring in as much thermite as the building was heavy... not doable.  Oddly, most of the Truth Movement refuses to consider nukes which makes me think they're either unable to think outside of their own boxes, or just think if there's no mushroom cloud, and nobody reported radiation signatures, it couldn't have been nukes. They also may be disinfo agents, even unwittingly. 
Judy Woods' research, although she's wrong about the DEW weapons (if she's right, we have Star Wars style beam stations out in space that can take out anywhere on the planet and frankly, I don't think so) gives big clues otherwise.  The toasted cars is a biggie; also the people who barely escaped the dust cloud, which was very hot and of high velocity, and the lady who reported that car doors were popping off their hinges and car engines were bursting into flames as she ran by, not their gas tanks, but their engines... It's an EMP effect.  No other known weapon accounts for this.  
Take a look at the photos of the buildings in mid-collapse. The concrete floor panels, the outside structural beams and office contents are being turned to dust. The aluminum cladding is being blown straight outwards. And the heavy steel inner core beams are the blacker smoke rising upwards, as they are molecularly disintegrated. (there's your mushroom cloud, although it doesn't look like what we've come to expect). 
New York City was nuked.  


-signalfire

Great post Signalfire.  Back when it happened I was actually sitting up late and had BBC World News turned on, which was very unusual for me, and watched it all unfold live right from the beginning.    A few things really stood out in my mind at the time. 1.   When the building collapsed a giant HUH??? It just didn't make any sense to me that it PANCAKED like that and according to the engineers I've read etc it doesn't make any sense.

2.  When they took the camera into GW Bush when he was sitting in that classroom reading to the kids.  Talk about STAGED.  It was so staged.     The trouble was GW is a TERRIBLE actor.    Maybe Reagan could have acted "surprised" and seemed credible but GW just looked like he was ACTING - and very badly.


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#13, by emeline, 02 July 2012 11:08 PM

Thanks, tlr...
I've come to the conclusion after almost 59 years on this planet that there's literally two kinds of people, two different kinds of brain configurations.  It may be as simple as the amount of communication between the corpus collosum, the two halves and their ability to talk to one another.  In fact, a fully functioning bridge between the two halves has been implicated in ESP and remote viewing abilities.  
Some people simply don't have ANY curiosity whatsoever.  They seem unable to care about any mystery, or find it interesting. Other people are driven by low level curiosity (what are the neighbors up to?) while others see the world as a giant puzzle and are compelled to figure out some pretty big areas of it. 
The recurring dreams I had as a small child convinced me of reincarnation although it actually took me another 50 years to realize, much to my surprise, that coming back once actually meant you come back again and again and again.  We all live an eternity and this is just one of the playgrounds and learning stations.  I truly think that we sign up for this, knowing at least in part what the assignment will be and how it will turn out... but I think there's a defect in the process whereby we forget our accumulated knowledge and have to keep re-learning things.  What a waste of experience, if true.  Tapping into that would be an immediate ascension process for the whole planet.  
My father bopping into my head at the moment of his death 20 miles away was another big reinforcement of the above; and the most amazing part of that truly amazing experience was that his spirit had actual mass... it hit my temple with the force of a medium sized marble, at the same time as it effortlessly passed right through. There's a LOT of information in that observation.  The whole 'mass can neither be created nor destroyed' rule combined with 'it's all energy, but solids are just vibrating a bit slower'... 
I wish I could prove what happened to me, it would set a lot of minds at ease and make everything else so much clearer.  
So having solved that rather pressing and large problem, 9-11 presented a wonderful thought puzzle.  Oddly, my first thought when I saw it live was 'nukes!' but I went down the wormhole with all the other researchers for a good 7 years until I realized, with a lot of corroborating evidence, that my first instinct was correct.
Now I'm working on aliens, ETs, EDs and all the rest.  It's a slow slog but fascinating.  It's becoming more and more apparent that there's a couple billion inhabited planets in the local neighborhood, some are technologically billions of years ahead of us helped along by incredibly long lives and a memory that stays intact between lives;  Most are probably benevolent but some probably make the Klingons look like sociable happy-go-lucky types. Obviously, Earth has not yet attained the status of a true 'civilization'.   We're still spectacularly primitive, and our assignment here may be to help bring the place up to speed a little bit more, or perhaps a penance or even a prison. 
By the way, I used to live in upstate New York and met Rod Serling as a child at a Christmas party.  I remember he was really short, smoked cigarettes one after the other, and that incredibly distinctive voice. 
 Nice man [image]  For a long time after that, I wanted to be a writer too but I never thought I had anything to write about until lately... 


-signalfire


Signalfire it's an interesting thought that a spirit has "limited mass", for example you feeling your father like a marble hitting your head.  In the weeks after my mother died we would go into the hallway which led to her bedroom, which had coats hanging on hooks along the walls and one or more coats would be strewn on the floor.   It had NEVER happened in all the years before (and we're talking here since the 1940's when my grandfather first owned this particular house) and it only happened for several weeks after she died, then it stopped completely.  Did her spirit have enough mass to throw the coats down?  My father always believed it was her.

I'm sure the cynic would say, "sure, strewn coats on the floor, big deal" but I think the timing is pretty extraordinary.  If coats were going to fall off hooks and fling themselves on the hallway floor why don't they do it at other times?  Why did it start a few days after my mother died, last for several weeks and then stop?

I also wonder (big tinfoily thought) about how a lot of people see small birds around the time of someone's death/funeral or for a while afterwards and seem to think they're some kind of "messengers" from the dead.   One example is my aunt.  After my uncle died this little bird kept coming into her house and chatting to her, then it would leave again but it hung around for weeks after my uncle died.    After my mother died one time a few days later when I was at her grave this little bird (a fantail) flew up and landed right on my shoulder!!!  It was only brief, but I was like wow!  Fantails are friendly but I've never known one to land on anyone's shoulder before......again, the timing and place seems intriguing.

It makes me ponder....does a spirit have enough mass to somehow control a small bird?  Sounds whacky I know but it might almost make "sense" if a spirit has enough mass to move itself with the force of a marble.
Could it "commandeer" a small bird?



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#14, by emeline, 02 July 2012 11:21 PM

I dont like to think of earth as being a 'prison' because of 2 reasons.
 1st of all I just cannot see myself as having done anything worthy of going to prison for. I just dont feel it. I see other people who have no empathy, no comapassion, no love, no caring, invention, imagination ...no wonder, no awe ..how can I be bad when I have all those things?
2ndly there are some amazingly wonderful miracles of life on this planet. How can that be a punishment to be sent here?
Unless we are perhaps sent here to keep the 'bad juju/karma' from taking over and we are, in every sense of the word, volunteers, knowing we are comming to live amongst the bad and try to help them get better?
Most days I feel as if we are loosing that battle tho if thats the case.
Sorry just wanted to touch on the reincarnation bit. I have fully believed in that since I was 16.
By the way I always kinda "just knew" our Gov did 911. I just never really knew how. But that day was the day I lost all trust in my country. All patriotism.

-concernedmomma

Heh, makes me think how Jesus said the "righteous were the salt of the earth".  . That would tie right in with your musing there CM.  Of course the trouble is most people read the gospels religiously or even literally when I think Jesus was often speaking of very different things.

I think Thomas Campbell would say love IS the natural state, the highest state, the state of ORDER by which everything is created and exists, which constantly works to stop entropy (disorder) - simple physics but people don't consider this works not just physically but METAPHYSICALLY.  In other words the "salt" - the "good" beings stop the entropy (the rot), maybe not totally (obviously not totally) but without the "salt"........there would be NOTHING, just grey goo.

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#15, by emeline, 02 July 2012 11:30 PM

I also think that this is some sort of dimensional penal colony -- have always thought that.  In my evolution to date, however, I sort of think of it more as a probationary zone.  We have opportunities and choices here, and if we choose correctly (toward the good) we can evolve out -- if we participate in the negative, we're stuck here or sink to an even lower dimension.

-spin

spin, that's pretty much my thought these days. This is some level of - sometimes I say hell - but I don't think that's right, it's some level in BETWEEN heaven and hell.  When I say heaven and hell I don't mean one heaven or one hell but something more like:

Levels of "Heaven"
Levels in between "Heaven and Hell"
Levels of "Hell"

The two handed path isn't left or right, it's UP or DOWN.  We go up or down.

I'm with CM too, that although in many, many ways I do see this planet as a kind of living hell it CAN'T be hell because there's so much about it that's extraordinary, miraculous, beautiful, gentle, good - magical.  There is MAGIC everywhere on this planet.  You just need to know how to look.   This IS in so many ways an enchanted planet.

There does seem to be some kind of battle for it, between "good" and "evil" beings (again on a spectrum) but maybe even if this planet is destroyed the "good" somehow EVOLVE upwards because of their personal spiritual evolution.    I know it doesn't make sense of everything, but I think the point is it seems the battle is NOT physical, but it is PLAYED on a physical plane.

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#16, by emeline, 02 July 2012 11:45 PM

Anyway something several of you touched on above and it's something often discussed/claimed, that Planet Earth is some kind of "school" and we even live THIS life over and over and over.  I think that is what Anthony Peake believes and frankly the idea of living this life over and over and over does not please me. grin  I love what he says about the daemon though and he has a lot of great thoughts.

But the "groundhog day life" or reincarnation of another form, I don't know how I feel about it.    A few years back I did reach the conclusion that the only way to make sense of this life is to believe WE ARE NOT HERE TO PHYSICALLY SURVIVE BUT TO SPIRITUALLY EVOLVE.

This is kind of mooted by everything and everyone from Christianity to Eastern Religions to Gary Zukav to Thomas Campbell to the New Age Gurus etc.  I'm actually amazed by how much of the supposed New Age just seems like Christianity and a lot of Christianity just seems like the New Age, the point being, not to pick on either of those movements, but a lot of these schools of thought seem to end up coming back to the "the Earth is a school" meme.

And it seems to make sense of it, it somehow MUST be.

But I have a lot of problems with the concept too.

Did you ever know a school where they didn't have a clear lesson plan, didn't have clearly stated goals, didn't make it plain what it was ALL ABOUT?  If anyone ran a school down here like that we'd think they were mad.  It would be a recipe for chaos.  How could anyone learn in such an environment?    Especially when you forgot every former lesson and didn't even know where you were heading or what you were supposed to be learning or doing or where the destination was?

In other words if this is a "sacred school" in  a sense why are most of us just groping in the dark?    How many of you are even sure where you're going?  How many of you truly know what you're even supposed to be learning?    How many of you even see the PLAN?  How many of you even know any of the goals of what your life is supposed to mean?

In Christendom they often throw out that line to their adherents that "God has a wonderful plan for your life" which mostly makes non-Christians and even a lot of Christians themselves snicker - but the New Age, Gary Zukav, Thomas Campbell etc are more or less saying the same thing - it's all a big plan for your "spiritual evolution".

If it's such a big plan why are most of us in such personal and global chaos?  How can that help the plan?

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#17, by tlr1138, 02 July 2012 11:51 PM

You know, I remember a Twilight Zone or maybe One Step Beyond, episode from years ago, could have been the Outer Limits, where earth got a message from these really superior and powerful aliens telling us we needed to straighten up or something like that, or they were going to blow up the earth.
So, all the nations got together and made peace, and threw down their arms and waited to hear from the aliens.
they came to a meeting with generals and officials and the humans excitedly told them that we'd done it! We'd made peace all over the earth, and the alien laughed and said that wasn't what they'd meant. They wanted us to become "more" warlike and aggressive, and since we'd made peace we were a failure so they blew us up.
that story has always stuck with me.

-pamela

That was the 80s Twilight Zone revival, "A Small Talent for War"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Small_Talent_for_War_%28The_Twilight_Zone%29
 

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#18, by tlr1138, 03 July 2012 12:08 AM

I don't really think Bush was involved in the plot before the fact (Cheney and Rumsfeld probably were), because he was too stupid to be trusted. He was presented with a fait accompli, and he quickly went along with it. But he was intentionally left sitting there to wonder if he was the next target. His Secret Service detail completely failed to whisk him away to an undisclosed location. Apparently Laura Bush's SS detail also failed to get her to a secure location right away.

 

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#19, by signalfire, 03 July 2012 01:35 AM



"I also wonder (big tinfoily thought) about how a lot of people see small birds around the time of someone's death/funeral or for a while afterwards and seem to think they're some kind of "messengers" from the dead.   One example is my aunt.  After my uncle died this little bird kept coming into her house and chatting to her, then it would leave again but it hung around for weeks after my uncle died.    After my mother died one time a few days later when I was at her grave this little bird (a fantail) flew up and landed right on my shoulder!!!  It was only brief, but I was like wow!  Fantails are friendly but I've never known one to land on anyone's shoulder before......again, the timing and place seems intriguing.


It makes me ponder....does a spirit have enough mass to somehow control a small bird?  Sounds whacky I know but it might almost make "sense" if a spirit has enough mass to move itself with the force of a marble.Could it "commandeer" a small bird?"


Absolutely I think it's possible!  I've had the same experience, and it's always a bird, too.


Does anyone else get a chill up and down one side of their spine when reading this passage????  Because I always do when I read something like this and I'm wondering if there's a neurological (or other?) meaning to it. 

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